Debate in CKNW Audio Vault
in response to a question on how votes are counted under BC-STV,
would a leading supporter of the system say: "I'm not
going to take your bait"?
is one of several surprises that Dennis Pilon, who teaches
in the University of Victoria's faculty of political science,
offered in my "discussion" with him on CKNW's Bill
Good show. Thanks to CKNW's
audio vault, the debate is preserved for anyone who clicks
on the link
and scrolls to Mon Apr. 13, 9:00 am.
practice, most people vote party with STV.
we'll probably have under STV is a minority or coalition
is slightly less proportional than the other systems (referring
to other PR systems).
you go to Ireland and you ask them, do you understand how
the vote count works, they'll tell you no.
is very complicated to count.
won't be hearing any of those admission in advertisements
placed by BC-STV supporters!
the debate Pilon insisted that with STV competition would
change the behavior of politicians. That is hard to support
when one looks at the few countries that use STV.
at Ireland today where, as in much of Europe, the political
parties are very active in local elections. Local and European
Parliament elections are scheduled for June 5th. Irish papers
are full of stories about Fianna Fail candidates facing annihilation
in June. In The
Claire People on April 13th, Joe O'Muircheartaigh wrote:
"Party insiders have expressed their fears for Fianna
Fáil candidates' chances in the election, as a hail
of criticism rained down on the two Oireachtas members over
their decision to toe the party line over the closure of 24-hour
A and E at the hospital." Despite claims by BC-STV proponents,
it is routine to find complaints about Irish members of parliament
(TDs) toeing the party line. Some might compare that to what
is happening in B.C. in Delta South this election.
The online publication, Kilkenny
People, offers insight into Ireland's "independents"
who are frequently party stalwarts who lose a nomination fight
only to turn around and run as an independent. Kilkenny People
described Cllr Dixie Doyle of Thomastown who ten years ago
ran as an independent after losing a nomination. According
to the paper: "Since being elected he has voted with
Fianna Fáil on almost all occasions. So if other independent
FF candidates are elected will they adopt the same strategy."
The paper then went on to offer the advice that: "Of
course with the party's fortunes in a tailspin at present,
many FF hopefuls might be better off going as independents
and then doing a 'Dixie' afterwards."
anyone thinks that adopting BC-STV changes politics, they
should have a close look at how politics are really practiced
where STV is used; alternatively, just look at what some STV
supporters admit when pressed on the weaknesses of that complex